Whether FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen is a thorny question. What's clear is that FDR wanted the US in World War II and was looking for a casus belli.
Did Roosevelt know about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance? I don’t know about that. But he wanted the US in the war and I think knew it would be easier if we were attacked.A dangerous game was played.
The 9/ 11 intelligence failures were staggering. I’ve never really been sold on the idea Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack. But I understand why some people believe that.
Did President Roosevelt know about the fourth coming attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen is the question.
“No, according to the overwhelming consensus of historians, President Franklin D. Roosevelt did not have prior knowledge of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor; the idea that he did is considered a conspiracy theory with “no credible evidence” to support it.
Key points to remember:
No concrete proof:
Despite claims from some conspiracy theorists, no documents or reliable witness accounts have ever been found to prove FDR knew about the attack in advance.
Intelligence failures:
While there were warnings of potential Japanese aggression, the intelligence community failed to accurately predict the time and location of the attack on Pearl Harbor. (Remember the warnings the intelligence community had for 9/11 and the intelligence failures. We lost over 3000 of our citizens that day)
This Logical inconsistency:
Most historians argue that it would be highly illogical for Roosevelt to knowingly expose the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor to such a devastating attack.”
Where is the documentation I’d love to read it since I am a history buff and not a conspiracy theorist buff. Give me the facts. Show me the documentation and I’ll be there agreeing you.
I worked as an investigator for a long time and facts and documentations matters.
Roosevelt definitely knew. One reason he didn't care if Pearl Harbor was attacked, is because he needed a reason that the American people would go along with to go to war. His "New Deal " wasn't lifting the U.S. out of the Depression as planned. It wasn't until they started ramping up the economy for WWII that the Depression finally ended. Typical Democratic strategy: more government ("The New Dea"), and when all else fails they take us to war. Republicans also take us to war for economical reasons as well, perhaps with less government intervention. Linking today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
My step-father was a Pearl Harbor survivor. He only talked to me about it three times. He told me he only survived by the grace and protection of God. He just happened to be sent that night to camp away from his usual barracks. He awoke in his tent to gun fire. When it was over and he got back to his barracks, he found a single bullet hole had pierced all of the clothes hanging in his locker.
Gary, my stepfather, believed for years and years that it was a completely surprise attack. Then, in his later years, he learned something that changed his mind. He then believed that FDR knew and had betrayed all of the military on that island. He was very angry.
As an aside, for Gary’s 90th birthday his sister sent him a photo album she put together from their childhood. It included pictures of Gary’s early service in the Army Air Corps. Here was my stepfather and his best friend, I think his name was Stan, in Hawaii in their uniforms. Another of them on a double date. Here they were in bathing suits enjoying the beautiful shores of the island. Two happy young men.
The photos continued on with pics of Gary in Yuma, AZ and of him finally becoming a pilot (he started as an airplane mechanic). But no more pictures of Stan.
I was about to ask Gary where Stan was stationed for the war but I paused first and looked at the dates on the photos. All the pics of Stan and Gary were before 12/7. I confirmed with my mom that yes, Stan was lost that day.
Stan would be around 100 years old today, so I doubt that any who knew him well are still around to remember him. Gary passed a number of years ago. But every 12/7 when I remember my stepfather, I also think of Stan.
FDR considered Huey Long of Louisiana to be one of the two most dangerous men in America. Huey was going to run against FDR in the next presidential election and might well have won if Huey hadn't been assassinated. Huey was against war.
FDR wanted to end the European and Japanese empires. FDR wanted an American Empire.
"Since 1931 the Japanese had been expanding their footholds on the Asiatic mainland at the expense of the Chinese, who were weakened by internal conflict, and to the detriment of American and British interests in that sphere. In that year, they had invaded Manchuria and converted it into a Japanese satellite. In 1932 they invaded China itself, but in the effort to establish their control of that vast area they became enmeshed in the toils of guerrilla warfare, and sought a solution of the problem in further expansionist moves, southward, aimed to shut off the Chinese from outside supplies. Following Hitler’s defeat of France, the Japanese took advantage of her helplessness by getting her to agree, under threat, to their “protective” occupation of French Indo-China.
In reply President Roosevelt demanded, on the 24th July 1941, the withdrawal of Japanese troops from Indochina—and to enforce his demand he issued orders on the 26th for freezing all Japanese assets in the U.S.A. and placing an embargo on oil supply. Mr. Churchill took simultaneous action, and two days later the refugee Dutch government in London was induced to follow suit—which meant, as Mr. Churchill has remarked, that “Japan was deprived at a stroke of her vital oil supplies.”
In early discussions, it had always been recognized that such a paralyzing stroke would force Japan to fight, as the only alternative to collapse or the abandonment of her policy. It is remarkable that she deferred striking for more than four months, while trying to negotiate a lifting of the oil embargo. The United States government refused to lift it, unless Japan withdrew not only from Indo-China but also from China. No government, least of all the Japanese, could be expected to swallow such humiliating conditions, and utter loss of face. So there was every reason to expect war in the pacific at any moment, from the last week of July onwards. In these circumstances the Americans and British were lucky to be allowed four months grace before the Japanese struck. But little advantage was taken of this interval for defensive preparation."
what's not to like as a politician in these circumstances? You get to make speeches about the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. And lie about how we don't want war. The politician will be in no danger, bear no mortal risk or the chance of being maimed and in pain for the rest of his life.
"courage grows in inverse proportion to distance from the front" for the weasel warmongers like bolton, miss lindsey and a host of others.
Maybe most who have been in harm's way in the military realize just how expendable you really are.
It would have been smarter to prepare for the attack as a putative preparatory maneuver than to allow many valuable ships be destroyed. Some ships were at sea and more could have been. The US pushed Japan into the war anyway by blocking their sources of oil over severl years. So they should mjave been expecting something. The Japnese were crazy anyway but then so we're the Germans in Operation Barbarosa. They had completion lines drawn far to the east of Stalingrad. And Stalin was genuinely surprised; it does happen.
Well, I'm reading The New Dealer's War even if I've thought for a while FDR knew an attack was on its way.
Oh, and if nobody's ever written a book called Mythology of America, with a revisionist prose challenging and doing all it could to debunk the type of American history many want to believe in as opposed to alternative viewpoints (most of the latter I embrace), that would be a best-seller overnight. Just a thought.
You might be interested in this.
https://www.amazon.com/Back-Door-War-Roosevelt-1933-1941/dp/1258413132
Will check it out. Thanks
My father heard him promise in Boston that our boys would not be sent to fight and thought FDR a liar.
He was right.
Did Roosevelt know about the Pearl Harbor attack in advance? I don’t know about that. But he wanted the US in the war and I think knew it would be easier if we were attacked.A dangerous game was played.
Definitely would have been much easier to sell the war to the masses if someone else attacked them first.
tonkin gulf. USS Maine. 9/11.
The 9/ 11 intelligence failures were staggering. I’ve never really been sold on the idea Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to attack. But I understand why some people believe that.
Bush/Mossad “Art” Students/NSA/CIA did 9/11.
Did President Roosevelt know about the fourth coming attack on Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen is the question.
“No, according to the overwhelming consensus of historians, President Franklin D. Roosevelt did not have prior knowledge of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor; the idea that he did is considered a conspiracy theory with “no credible evidence” to support it.
Key points to remember:
No concrete proof:
Despite claims from some conspiracy theorists, no documents or reliable witness accounts have ever been found to prove FDR knew about the attack in advance.
Intelligence failures:
While there were warnings of potential Japanese aggression, the intelligence community failed to accurately predict the time and location of the attack on Pearl Harbor. (Remember the warnings the intelligence community had for 9/11 and the intelligence failures. We lost over 3000 of our citizens that day)
This Logical inconsistency:
Most historians argue that it would be highly illogical for Roosevelt to knowingly expose the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor to such a devastating attack.”
He knew; and he was pressure by the Rothschilds War Machine…..
Where is the documentation I’d love to read it since I am a history buff and not a conspiracy theorist buff. Give me the facts. Show me the documentation and I’ll be there agreeing you.
I worked as an investigator for a long time and facts and documentations matters.
Just look at his advisors and cabinet.
Read my post from New American.🇺🇸
Roosevelt definitely knew. One reason he didn't care if Pearl Harbor was attacked, is because he needed a reason that the American people would go along with to go to war. His "New Deal " wasn't lifting the U.S. out of the Depression as planned. It wasn't until they started ramping up the economy for WWII that the Depression finally ended. Typical Democratic strategy: more government ("The New Dea"), and when all else fails they take us to war. Republicans also take us to war for economical reasons as well, perhaps with less government intervention. Linking today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
I don't know for certain but WW2 brought the country out of the depression, not the new deal. I am still amazed about how people revere FDR.
My step-father was a Pearl Harbor survivor. He only talked to me about it three times. He told me he only survived by the grace and protection of God. He just happened to be sent that night to camp away from his usual barracks. He awoke in his tent to gun fire. When it was over and he got back to his barracks, he found a single bullet hole had pierced all of the clothes hanging in his locker.
Gary, my stepfather, believed for years and years that it was a completely surprise attack. Then, in his later years, he learned something that changed his mind. He then believed that FDR knew and had betrayed all of the military on that island. He was very angry.
As an aside, for Gary’s 90th birthday his sister sent him a photo album she put together from their childhood. It included pictures of Gary’s early service in the Army Air Corps. Here was my stepfather and his best friend, I think his name was Stan, in Hawaii in their uniforms. Another of them on a double date. Here they were in bathing suits enjoying the beautiful shores of the island. Two happy young men.
The photos continued on with pics of Gary in Yuma, AZ and of him finally becoming a pilot (he started as an airplane mechanic). But no more pictures of Stan.
I was about to ask Gary where Stan was stationed for the war but I paused first and looked at the dates on the photos. All the pics of Stan and Gary were before 12/7. I confirmed with my mom that yes, Stan was lost that day.
Stan would be around 100 years old today, so I doubt that any who knew him well are still around to remember him. Gary passed a number of years ago. But every 12/7 when I remember my stepfather, I also think of Stan.
FDR considered Huey Long of Louisiana to be one of the two most dangerous men in America. Huey was going to run against FDR in the next presidential election and might well have won if Huey hadn't been assassinated. Huey was against war.
FDR wanted to end the European and Japanese empires. FDR wanted an American Empire.
And here we are.
Per Liddel Hart,
"Since 1931 the Japanese had been expanding their footholds on the Asiatic mainland at the expense of the Chinese, who were weakened by internal conflict, and to the detriment of American and British interests in that sphere. In that year, they had invaded Manchuria and converted it into a Japanese satellite. In 1932 they invaded China itself, but in the effort to establish their control of that vast area they became enmeshed in the toils of guerrilla warfare, and sought a solution of the problem in further expansionist moves, southward, aimed to shut off the Chinese from outside supplies. Following Hitler’s defeat of France, the Japanese took advantage of her helplessness by getting her to agree, under threat, to their “protective” occupation of French Indo-China.
In reply President Roosevelt demanded, on the 24th July 1941, the withdrawal of Japanese troops from Indochina—and to enforce his demand he issued orders on the 26th for freezing all Japanese assets in the U.S.A. and placing an embargo on oil supply. Mr. Churchill took simultaneous action, and two days later the refugee Dutch government in London was induced to follow suit—which meant, as Mr. Churchill has remarked, that “Japan was deprived at a stroke of her vital oil supplies.”
In early discussions, it had always been recognized that such a paralyzing stroke would force Japan to fight, as the only alternative to collapse or the abandonment of her policy. It is remarkable that she deferred striking for more than four months, while trying to negotiate a lifting of the oil embargo. The United States government refused to lift it, unless Japan withdrew not only from Indo-China but also from China. No government, least of all the Japanese, could be expected to swallow such humiliating conditions, and utter loss of face. So there was every reason to expect war in the pacific at any moment, from the last week of July onwards. In these circumstances the Americans and British were lucky to be allowed four months grace before the Japanese struck. But little advantage was taken of this interval for defensive preparation."
The administration was pushing a war.
what's not to like as a politician in these circumstances? You get to make speeches about the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. And lie about how we don't want war. The politician will be in no danger, bear no mortal risk or the chance of being maimed and in pain for the rest of his life.
"courage grows in inverse proportion to distance from the front" for the weasel warmongers like bolton, miss lindsey and a host of others.
Maybe most who have been in harm's way in the military realize just how expendable you really are.
It would have been smarter to prepare for the attack as a putative preparatory maneuver than to allow many valuable ships be destroyed. Some ships were at sea and more could have been. The US pushed Japan into the war anyway by blocking their sources of oil over severl years. So they should mjave been expecting something. The Japnese were crazy anyway but then so we're the Germans in Operation Barbarosa. They had completion lines drawn far to the east of Stalingrad. And Stalin was genuinely surprised; it does happen.
One of the principles of war is don't be surprised. From what I remember the destroyers were in port but not the far more important carriers.
Well, I'm reading The New Dealer's War even if I've thought for a while FDR knew an attack was on its way.
Oh, and if nobody's ever written a book called Mythology of America, with a revisionist prose challenging and doing all it could to debunk the type of American history many want to believe in as opposed to alternative viewpoints (most of the latter I embrace), that would be a best-seller overnight. Just a thought.
A pretext that will remain in infamy!
His grandfather was a faithful clerk to the opium family, Russell. (Like Prescott Bush being a faithful lackey to Brown Brothers Harriman)
Opium as well as alcohol were legal in their day.