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Even in Plato's Republic, with its allegory of the cave, it was apparent that the great mass of people are not aware of the dystopia around them.

Thoreau characterized it as people living lives of quiet desperation.

In modern times, we have the much-discussed Matrix movies, whose metaphors continue to inform our everyday speech.

People might know "something" is wrong with the world, but few will approach any level of understanding of what that something is.

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This is outstanding. Thank you!

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Thanks!

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You don't ever really *know* you're living in a dystopia, because it's always "just around the corner" and if you vote correctly in the next "most important election in history" then you can be part of the heroic corps that staves it off a little longer. You get told you're a great fedaykin, so you fall in line behind Muad'dib, with total faith that whatever it is he told you has been defeated was somehow worse than what he's about to do to you.

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Dune as dystopian fiction....

A fascinating take on Frank Herbert's classic--and opens up some interesting perspectives on "Dune: Messiah" and "Children of Dune".

Nice!

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Not the first book, admittedly. But as you say, it goes downhill from there in the follow-ups. And there's always a follow-up.

https://lorendean.substack.com/p/the-happily-ever-after-trap

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No I don’t think people know they are living in a dystopia. If anything they might think the opposite.

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That's an interesting question. I think whether they "know" it or not depends entirely upon how that dystopia came about. In a dystopia following an old-school military conquest, I think they know...and they know that they know...and they're willing to say it (so long as they can be assured of physical safety).

If, however, the dystopia is one that they voted for...one that they vociferously supported and shamed friends and neighbors for not supporting...then I suspect they either don't "know" or (more likely) choose not to know. I'm reminded of an Upton Sinclair quote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

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